I recently joined Matt Peterson and Anthony Dest on the Woodbine podcast to talk about our work in Chile and Colombia, and about what autonomy and peace mean in practice.

We discussed Anthony’s new book, Dissident Peace: Autonomous Struggles and the State in Colombia, alongside my own research on Mapuche politics of autonomy, autogestión, and everyday forms of democracy in Santiago and Wallmapu. The conversation moved through the challenges of building autonomy as a form of life beyond the state and market economy through forms of care and refusal.

Thank you to Matt Peterson and Woodbine NYC for hosting, and to Anthony Dest for the generous and wide-ranging dialogue.

Woodbine is an experimental hub for developing the practices, skills, and tools needed to build autonomy. Listen to the episode here → Woodbine Podcast #30: Latin American Autonomy with Anthony Dest & Nikola García Johnson